Отговори на защитниците: Мухаммад и Аиша: Разлика между версии

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Точната дефиниция за педофилията на DSM-IV-TR, която се прилага към поведението на Мухаммад [[Мухаммад и клиничната дефиниция за педофилия|'''тук''']], не изисква човек да бъде единствено или преимуществено привлечен от деца, за да бъде диагностициран като педофил. DSM-IV изисква само човекът да е имал сексуално влечение към дете и да е действал според това желание поне веднъж.<ref name="DSM-IV-TR">According to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia, the [[Aisha_Age_of_Consummation#Pedophilia_according_to_DSM-IV-TR|DSM-IV-TR]], a pedophile is someone who (1) over a period of at least six months, has had recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). (2) has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies have caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulties. (3) is at least aged 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion 1. Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.</ref>
Точната дефиниция за педофилията на DSM-IV-TR, която се прилага към поведението на Мухаммад [[Мухаммад и клиничната дефиниция за педофилия|'''тук''']], не изисква човек да бъде единствено или преимуществено привлечен от деца, за да бъде диагностициран като педофил. DSM-IV изисква само човекът да е имал сексуално влечение към дете и да е действал според това желание поне веднъж.<ref name="DSM-IV-TR">According to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia, the [[Aisha_Age_of_Consummation#Pedophilia_according_to_DSM-IV-TR|DSM-IV-TR]], a pedophile is someone who (1) over a period of at least six months, has had recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). (2) has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies have caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulties. (3) is at least aged 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion 1. Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.</ref>


====At that time, it was okay to have sex with 9 year olds in Arabia. It was a cultural norm====
====По онова време е било в реда на нещата да се прави секс с 9-годишни деца в Арабия. Било е културна норма====


As they themselves have left behind no written records, there is ''no'' evidence of pedophilic marriages being accepted among the non-Muslim Arabs of Muhammad's time. The only sources we have are Muslim sources, so to claim that such a marriage was a cultural norm among all Arabs is baseless conjecture.
Понеже не са останали никакви писмени записи, не съществуват никакви доказателства, че педофилските бракове са били приети сред арабите - немюсюлмани от времето на Мухаммад. Имаме единствено мюсюлмански източници, следователно за да твърдим, че подобен род бракове са били културна норма за всички араби е безпочвено предположение.


During the Medieval period it was the norm in Jewish Middle Eastern cultures for girls to be given in marriage when they were [[Aisha and Puberty|12-13 years old]],<ref>''[[W:Nashim|Kiddushin]]'' ([[W:tosafot|tosafot]]) 41a</ref> coinciding perfectly with the average age at menarche in the Medieval Middle East which was also 12-13 years.<ref name="Mum.org"></ref> A large age gap between the spouses was also opposed,<ref>''[[W:Yebamot|Yebamot]]'' 44a</ref><ref>''Sanhedrin'' 76a</ref> yet the age gap between Muhammad and Aisha was a massive 45 years.
През средновековния период е било норма в семитските обичаи от Близкия Изток момичета да бъдат давани за брак, когато навършат 12-13 години,<ref>''[[W:Nashim|Kiddushin]]'' ([[W:tosafot|tosafot]]) 41a</ref> което е съвпадало съвършено със средната възраст на първата менструация в средновековния Близък Изток, която също е била 12-13 години.<ref name="Mum.org"></ref> Голямата възрастова разлика между съпрузите не се е толерирала,<ref>''[[W:Yebamot|Yebamot]]'' 44a</ref><ref>''Sanhedrin'' 76a</ref> а възрастовата разлика между Мухаммад и Аиша е била цели 45 години.


Besides, a lot of other things were acceptable in the past, but that does not make them any more moral or right.
Освен това редица други неща са били приемливи в миналото, но това не ги прави днес морални или правилни


Drinking [[alcohol]] and gambling were both permitted activities in pre-Islamic Arabia, yet Muhammad chose to ban these relatively harmless "cultural norms".<ref>"''O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.''" - {{cite quran|5|90|end=91|style=ref}}</ref> Why did he not do the same for [[slavery]] or pedophilia rather than indulging in both himself?
Пиенето на алкохол и хазартът са били позволени в пред-ислямска Арабия и при все това Мухаммад е решил да забрани тези относително безвредни „културни норми“.<ref>"''O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.''" - {{cite quran|5|90|end=91|style=ref}}</ref> Защо той не е направил същото с робството или педофилията, а предпочел сам да се възползва от тях?


As with pedophilia, Muhammad's actions [[Islamic_Law#Slavery|perpetuated the existence]] of slavery by institutionalizing it within Islam. Muhammad was a slave-trader.<ref>"''Mohammed had many male and female slaves. He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased more slaves than he sold, especially after God empowered him by His message, as well as after his immigration from Mecca. He once sold one black slave for two. His name was Jacob al-Mudbir. His purchases of slaves were more than he sold. He was used to renting out and hiring many slaves, but he hired more slaves than he rented out.''" - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, page 160</ref> He not only owned many male<ref>"''These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, 'Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad'am, Karkara, Abu Rafi', Thawban, Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu 'Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and also a black slave called Mahran, who was re-named (by Muhammad) Safina (`ship')''" - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, Pages 114-116</ref> and female<ref>"''Muhammad's Maid Slaves "are Salma Um Rafi', Maymuna daughter of Abu Asib, Maymuna daughter of Sa'd, Khadra, Radwa, Razina, Um Damira, Rayhana, Mary the Coptic, in addition to two other maid-slaves, one of them given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in a war.''" - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, Pages 114-116</ref> slaves, but he also captured, sold, and had sex<ref>"''....Waqidi has informed us that Abu Bakr has narrated that the messenger of Allah (PBUH) had sexual intercourse with Mariyyah [his Coptic slave] in the house of Hafsah....''" - Tabaqat v. 8 p. 223 Publisher Entesharat-e Farhang va Andisheh Tehran 1382 solar h ( 2003) Translator Dr. Mohammad Mahdavi Damghan</ref> with his slaves. Even Bilal, the famed "black Muslim", was bought in exchange for a black non-Muslim slave.<ref>"''A rock was put on a slave's chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, 'You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.' I will do so,' said Bakr. 'I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.''" - Ishaq:144</ref>
Както и с педофилията, действията на Мухаммад са [[Робство|узаконили съществуването на робството]], като са го легитимирали в исляма. Мухаммад е бил търговец на роби.<ref>"''Mohammed had many male and female slaves. He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased more slaves than he sold, especially after God empowered him by His message, as well as after his immigration from Mecca. He once sold one black slave for two. His name was Jacob al-Mudbir. His purchases of slaves were more than he sold. He was used to renting out and hiring many slaves, but he hired more slaves than he rented out.''" - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, page 160</ref> Той не само е притежавал много роби от мъжки<ref>"''These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, 'Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad'am, Karkara, Abu Rafi', Thawban, Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu 'Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and also a black slave called Mahran, who was re-named (by Muhammad) Safina (`ship')''" - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, Pages 114-116</ref> и женски пол<ref>"''Muhammad's Maid Slaves "are Salma Um Rafi', Maymuna daughter of Abu Asib, Maymuna daughter of Sa'd, Khadra, Radwa, Razina, Um Damira, Rayhana, Mary the Coptic, in addition to two other maid-slaves, one of them given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in a war.''" - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, Pages 114-116</ref> но той също така е пленявал, продавал и е правил секс <ref>"''....Waqidi has informed us that Abu Bakr has narrated that the messenger of Allah (PBUH) had sexual intercourse with Mariyyah [his Coptic slave] in the house of Hafsah....''" - Tabaqat v. 8 p. 223 Publisher Entesharat-e Farhang va Andisheh Tehran 1382 solar h ( 2003) Translator Dr. Mohammad Mahdavi Damghan</ref> със своите робини. Дори Билал, прочутият „черен мюсюлманин“, е бил купен в замяна на роб-немюсюлманин.<ref>"''A rock was put on a slave's chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, 'You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.' I will do so,' said Bakr. 'I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.''" - Ishaq:144</ref>


====People lived shorter life spans back then, a 9 year old girl would be comparable to a 20 year old today====
====People lived shorter life spans back then, a 9 year old girl would be comparable to a 20 year old today====