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По въпроса за напускането: невръстните жертви на Уорън Джефс, полигамния лидер на секта, са били на 12 и 15 години, като и двете не са го напуснали. Те са „влезли в съюз с Джефс по собствено желание и не са участвали в съдебния процес срещу него“.<ref name="Warren Jeffs">"''As a prophet of his polygamist sect, Warren Jeffs documented everything he did, keeping track of every marriage he performed, every young woman he wed, and even recording his intimate moments ... Jeffs had 78 wives in addition to his legal spouse, and 24 of them were under age 17, said Eric Nichols, lead prosecutor for the Texas Attorney General's office, which is handling the case ... Jurors deliberated for 3½ hours before finding Jeffs guilty of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15, whom he'd wed during what his sect considers "spiritual marriages." Prosecutors used DNA evidence to show Jeffs fathered a child with the older victim and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting the younger girl ... Jeffs' sect has more than 10,000 members nationwide who believe polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. Both victims entered into unions with Jeffs willingly, and did not participate in the trial against him. But Nichols said in his closing statement that the crimes were so egregious that under Texas law, convictions did not require the victim to bring charges.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Polygamist-leader-convicted-of-child-sex-assault-1719564.php|2=2011-10-27}} Polygamist leader convicted of child sex assault] - Will Weissert, Associated Press, August 5, 2011</ref> Независимо от подкрепата на жертвите си, той така или иначе си е бил педофил и осъден през 2011 г. за сексуална злоупотреба с деца.
По въпроса за напускането: невръстните жертви на Уорън Джефс, полигамния лидер на секта, са били на 12 и 15 години, като и двете не са го напуснали. Те са „влезли в съюз с Джефс по собствено желание и не са участвали в съдебния процес срещу него“.<ref name="Warren Jeffs">"''As a prophet of his polygamist sect, Warren Jeffs documented everything he did, keeping track of every marriage he performed, every young woman he wed, and even recording his intimate moments ... Jeffs had 78 wives in addition to his legal spouse, and 24 of them were under age 17, said Eric Nichols, lead prosecutor for the Texas Attorney General's office, which is handling the case ... Jurors deliberated for 3½ hours before finding Jeffs guilty of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15, whom he'd wed during what his sect considers "spiritual marriages." Prosecutors used DNA evidence to show Jeffs fathered a child with the older victim and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting the younger girl ... Jeffs' sect has more than 10,000 members nationwide who believe polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. Both victims entered into unions with Jeffs willingly, and did not participate in the trial against him. But Nichols said in his closing statement that the crimes were so egregious that under Texas law, convictions did not require the victim to bring charges.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Polygamist-leader-convicted-of-child-sex-assault-1719564.php|2=2011-10-27}} Polygamist leader convicted of child sex assault] - Will Weissert, Associated Press, August 5, 2011</ref> Независимо от подкрепата на жертвите си, той така или иначе си е бил педофил и осъден през 2011 г. за сексуална злоупотреба с деца.


====Aisha loved Muhammad and always spoke highly of him. Would a pedophile be worthy of such praise?====
====Аиша е обичала Мухаммад и винаги е говорила с уважение за него. Дали един педофил би си заслужил подобна възхвала?====


If you read the narrations by Aisha, you will find that their nature and content are often [[The Tragedy of Aisha|derogatory towards Islam]], and at times she is found mocking and belittling her husband. Indeed, this is one of the reasons why the Shi'ite sect hold a very negative view of her.
Ако прочетете разказите на Аиша, ще откриете, че тяхната природа и съдържание са често с [[Трагедията на Аиша|'''пренебрежение към исляма''']] и на моменти тя се подиграва и унижава своя съпруг. Това всъщност е една от причините, поради която шиитската секта поддържа едно много негативно мнение за нея.


For example; she said Muhammad was affected with magic, and black magic is considered to be the devil’s doing, thereby she is in fact proclaiming he was under the influence of the devil.<ref>"''Narrated 'Aisha: Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing...''" - {{Bukhari|4|54|490}} see also{{Bukhari|7|71|658}}, {{Bukhari|7|71|660}}, {{Bukhari|7|71|661}}, {{Bukhari|8|73|89}}, and {{Bukhari|8|75|400}}</ref> She also created the impression that he was forgetful and clumsy,<ref>"''Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)...''" - {{Bukhari|3|48|82}}</ref> she disclosed things which Muhammad had told her in private.<ref>"''Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka'ba?" I replied, "She told me that once the Prophet said, 'O 'Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka'ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit." Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.''" - {{Bukhari|1|3|128}}</ref> and once noted, with unmissable sarcasm, "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."<ref>"''Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."''" - {{Bukhari|6|60|311}}</ref>
Например тя казва, че Мухаммад е бил омагьосан, а черната магия се смята за дело на дявола.<ref>"''Narrated 'Aisha: Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing...''" - {{Bukhari|4|54|490}} see also{{Bukhari|7|71|658}}, {{Bukhari|7|71|660}}, {{Bukhari|7|71|661}}, {{Bukhari|8|73|89}}, and {{Bukhari|8|75|400}}</ref>Ето защо тя в крайна сметка тя заявява,<ref>"''Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)...''" - {{Bukhari|3|48|82}}</ref> че той е бил под влиянието на дявола.<ref>"''Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka'ba?" I replied, "She told me that once the Prophet said, 'O 'Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka'ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit." Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.''" - {{Bukhari|1|3|128}}</ref> Също така тя създава впечатлението, че той е бил разсеян и непохватен, тя разкрива неща, които Мухаммад ѝ е казал в личен разговор и веднъж отбелязва с неприкрит сарказъм: „Имам чувството, че твоят Господ бърза да изпълни твоите искания и желания“.<ref>"''Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."''" - {{Bukhari|6|60|311}}</ref>


Muhammad and Aisha's relationship was far from idyllic. Muhammad at one time struck her painfully in the chest,<ref>"''... He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: ... I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?..."''" - {{Muslim|4|2127}}</ref> and he allowed Abu Bakr to slap her,<ref>"''I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for anything he does not possess.''" - {{Muslim|9|3506}}</ref> and Aisha even claimed to dislike facing him.<ref>"''Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away for I disliked to face him."''" - {{Bukhari|1|9|490}}</ref>
Връзката между Мухаммад и Аиша е била далече от идеалната. Веднъж Мухаммад я е ударил болезнено в гръдния кош,<ref>"''... He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: ... I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?..."''" - {{Muslim|4|2127}}</ref> той е позволил на Абу Бакр да я шамароса,<ref>"''I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for anything he does not possess.''" - {{Muslim|9|3506}}</ref> а Аиша дори е твърдяла, че не обича да се среща с него.<ref>"''Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away for I disliked to face him."''" - {{Bukhari|1|9|490}}</ref>


As to the original question; Would a pedophile be worthy of such praise? The answer is, yes. Victims of pedophilia often defend their abusers. Any praise heaped on Muhammad by Aisha can be easily explained by the Stockholm Syndrome.<ref>"''Stockholm Syndrome has also been explained in evolutionary terms. Historically raptio (e.g., Rape of the Sabine women) and bride kidnapping have been (and still are in some places) very common practices. Women who were kidnapped and consistently fought back were likely to be killed or imprisoned and thus not have children. But women who bonded with and submitted to their captors were more likely to have children and their children were more likely to receive the genes that made their mothers more passive and bonding towards their captors. And over several generations, this made the population of humans more genetically prone to submission and bonding when kidnapped.''" - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome Stockholm Syndrome] - Wikipedia, accessed October 13, 2011</ref>
Що се отнася до въпроса: Дали един педофил би си заслужил подобна възхавала? Отговорът е: Да. Жертвите на педофилия често защитават своите насилници. Всяка една възхвала по адрес на Мухаммад от Аиша може лесно да бъде обяснена със [https://psychology.framar.bg/стокхолмски-синдром-причини-симптоми-и-лечение Стокхолмския синдром].<ref>"''Stockholm Syndrome has also been explained in evolutionary terms. Historically raptio (e.g., Rape of the Sabine women) and bride kidnapping have been (and still are in some places) very common practices. Women who were kidnapped and consistently fought back were likely to be killed or imprisoned and thus not have children. But women who bonded with and submitted to their captors were more likely to have children and their children were more likely to receive the genes that made their mothers more passive and bonding towards their captors. And over several generations, this made the population of humans more genetically prone to submission and bonding when kidnapped.''" - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome Stockholm Syndrome] - Wikipedia, accessed October 13, 2011</ref>


====Muhammad can't be a pedophile, he also had sex with grown women====
====Muhammad can't be a pedophile, he also had sex with grown women====

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