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Макар че използваният език е много суров,  темата на текста се отнася за зестрата, която се дължи за девици и жени, които не са девствени. Няма нищо общо с това какви полови контакти са позволени, поощрени, забранени или не са поощрени. Иронично е, че този пасаж е бил изманипулиран от своя оригинален контекст на финансова тематика в религиозна дискусия. Макар че съществуват няколко талмудистки пасажа с религиозен характер, този тук разглежда зестрите, а не забранените и позволените отношения.<ref>Gil Student - [{{Reference archive|1=http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html|2=2012-03-23}} The Talmud Does Not Permit Sex With A Three Year Old] - The Real Truth About The Talmud, accessed March 23, 2012</ref>
Макар че използваният език е много суров,  темата на текста се отнася за зестрата, която се дължи за девици и жени, които не са девствени. Няма нищо общо с това какви полови контакти са позволени, поощрени, забранени или не са поощрени. Иронично е, че този пасаж е бил изманипулиран от своя оригинален контекст на финансова тематика в религиозна дискусия. Макар че съществуват няколко талмудистки пасажа с религиозен характер, този тук разглежда зестрите, а не забранените и позволените отношения.<ref>Gil Student - [{{Reference archive|1=http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html|2=2012-03-23}} The Talmud Does Not Permit Sex With A Three Year Old] - The Real Truth About The Talmud, accessed March 23, 2012</ref>


===Americans and Europeans both considered child marriages to be acceptable===
===Американците и европейците са считали браковете с деца като приемливи===


Yes, that is correct. But note the past tense. They ''considered'', not ''consider''. Marriage to young girls was previously seen as normal, and yet most Americans and Europeans today, both religious and secular, find child marriages to be repulsive. Could this be because they have no uswa hasana (an excellent model of conduct) who married and had sex with a child?
Да, това е правилно. Но забележете миналото време. Те са ги ''считали'', но ''не ги считат''. Бракът за млади девойки преди е бил разглеждан като нещо нормално, и въпреки това повечето американци и европейци днес, както религиозните, така и атеистите, намират браковете с деца за отблъскващи. Дали причината не е в това, че те си нямат усуа хасана (съвършен пример за подражание), който да се е оженил и да е правил секс с дете?<br />


This would explain why there is not a single mainstream Christian who argues in favor of child-marriages on the basis that "Saint Joseph ([[#Mary married 90-year-old Joseph when she was only 12, so Joseph was a pedophile too|allegedly]]) did it 2000 years ago", "King Richard II did it 600 years ago" or that banning it would be "un-Christian". N.B. Note that King Richard II's marriage to a child was never even consummated. Although he visited his young bride nearly every day, they lived in different houses and did not sleep under the same roof, let alone in the same bed. King Richard was murdered when Queen Isabella was only eleven years old, and she was at that time still a virgin. Medieval Europeans, especially royalty, frequently arranged marriages in which one or both parties were prepubescent. But it was extremely unusual for such a marriage to be consummated before puberty.
Това би обяснило защо няма нито един нормален християнин, който да се изказва в полза на браковете с деца, позовавайки се на това, че „Св. Йосиф (теория без доказателства) го е направил преди 2000 години“, „Крал Ричард II го е направил преди 600 години“ или че тази забрана би била „нехристиянска“. N.B. Забележете, че бракът на крал Ричард II с дете никога не е бил консумиран. Макар че той е посещавал невръстната си съпруга почти всеки ден, те са живеели в различни къщи и не са спели под един покрив, а камо ли на едно легло. Крал Ричард е бил убит, когато кралица Изабела е била само на 11 години, а по това време тя все още е била девица. Средновековните европейци, особено кралските семейства, често са уреждали бракове, при които един или двамата участници са били полово незрели. Но е било крайно нетипично един такъв брак да бъде консумиран преди пубертета.<br />


On the other hand, the majority of mainstream Muslim scholars argue in favor of child-marriages on the basis that "Prophet Muhammad did it 1400 years ago",<ref name="University of Houston">Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia: "''...If she is married without her permission, by threat or coercion, then the marriage is not valid. The only exeption is in the case of the father and his daughter who is less than nine years of age. There is no harm if he gets her married while she is less than nine years old, according to the correct opinion. This is based on the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) marrying Aisha without her consent when she was less than nine years old, as is stated in authentic Hadith...''" - [http://web.archive.org/web/20040216151301/http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/fatawawom/marriage.html Questions Related to Marriage/ Is it allowed for a father to force his daughter to marry a specific man that she does not want to marry?] - Muslim Students Organization of the University of Houston</ref><ref name="Sheikh Hamoud">Sheikh Hamoud Hashim al-Tharihi, general secretary of the Vice and Virtue Committee and member of the Islah Party in Yemen: "''Because this happened to the Prophet, we cannot tell people that it is prohibited to marry at an early age''" - [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7711554.stm Child marriage and divorce in Yemen] - Jenny Cuff, BBC, November 6, 2008</ref><ref name="Mufti Fazlul">Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini: "''Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old. The new law [seeking to ban child marriages] initiated by the current government [of Bangladesh] will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge. Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women.''" - [http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1386/islamist-leader-threatens-of-waging-jihad <!-- Backup link from Jihad Watch {{Reference archive|1=http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/bangladesh-islamic-cleric-threatens-jihad-if-child-marriage-is-banned.html|2=2011-04-23}}  -->Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad] - Weekly Blitz, April 20, 2011</ref><ref name="Imam Sani">Former governor and current senator of Zamfara State, Nigeria, Ahmed Sani Yerima: <BR><BR>"''Child marriage in Islam is permissible. In the Koran there is no specific age of marriage...[If the government imposed new laws against child marriage] There will be violent conflict from the Muslims, saying that 'no, we will not accept this, we'd rather die than accept something which is not a law from Allah.'''" - {{cite web|url= http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/11_08/11_24_08/112408_nigeria.htm|title= Nigeria Child Brides-Broken Lives |publisher= Times Online|author= |date= November 28, 2008|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wunrn.com%2Fnews%2F2008%2F11_08%2F11_24_08%2F112408_nigeria.htm&date=2013-06-15|deadurl=no}} <BR><BR>And again in 2013: <BR><BR>{{cite web|quote=As was expected, former governor and current senator of Zamfara State Ahmed Sani Yerima reiterated his support for marrying off underage girls Saturday saying he could give out his six-year old daughter in marriage if he so wished. Last Tuesday, the Senator successfully prevented an amendment to the second part of Section 22 of the constitution by the Senate, which dwells on affirming someone as of age once the person is married, though the person could be lower than 18 years in age. He answered his critics in an online publication saying he did not deserve such criticisms. Here is the full statement: "Nigeria has many uncountable problems and none of them is early marriage. As a matter of fact early marriage (is) the solution to about half of our problems. For those who wonder if I can give my daughter(s) out in marriage at the age of 9 or 13, I tell you most honestly, I can give her out at the age of 6 if I want to and it’s not your business. This is because I am a Muslim and I follow the example of the best of mankind, Muhammad ﺻَﻠَّﻰ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﻭَﺳَﻠَّﻢَ..."|url= http://thenigeriatoday.net/i-could-marry-off-my-six-year-old-daughter-if-i-so-wished-senator-ahmed-yerima-replies-critics/|title= I Could Marry Off My Six Year Old Daughter If I So Wished, Senator Ahmed Yerima Replies Critics|publisher= The Nigeria Today|author= |date= July 21, 2013|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthenigeriatoday.net%2Fi-could-marry-off-my-six-year-old-daughter-if-i-so-wished-senator-ahmed-yerima-replies-critics%2F&date=2013-07-22|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="Sheikh Mohamed Ben">Sheikh Mohamed Ben Abderrahman Al-Maghraoui: "''The marriage of nine-year-old girls is not forbidden because according to the Hadith (the Prophet Mohammed's sayings), Mohammed married Aisha when she was only seven-years-old and he consummated his union when she was nine.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=27880|2=2011-10-25}} Moroccan theologian: Muslim girls can wed at nine] - Middle East Online, September 15, 2008</ref> "the Prophet's [[Muhammad's Companions and Pedophilia|Companions did it]]"<ref>"''Getting married at an early age is something that is confirmed by the book of Allah, the Sunnah of his Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), the consensus of the scholars and the actions of the companions, and the Muslims who came after them... There are many Ahadith which confirm that marriage at an early age was widespread among the companions and no one denied its permissibility. Getting married at an early age was not peculiar to the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) as some people think, but it was general for him and for his Ummah. The following are some of the actions of the Sahaba (companions): 1. Ali Ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, married his daughter, Um Kulthum to Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, and she mothered a child before the death of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam). Omar got married to her while she was young before reaching the age of puberty. This is reported by Ibn Saad in 'Al-Tabaqat'. 2. From Urwa Ibn Zubair: that Zubair, may Allah be pleased with him, married his daughter when she was very young. Reported by Saeed Ibn Mansour, in his Sunnah, and Ibn Abi Shaibah, in Al-musannaf, with a Sahih chain of narration. Al-Shafie said in the book of Al-Um: "Many companions of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) married their daughters while these were still young.''" - [http://www.webcitation.org/61C5nBLpe <!-- original URL http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=88089 -->Child marriage in Islam], Islamweb, Fatwa No. 88089, June 24, 2004</ref> or that banning it would be "un-Islamic".<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/11_08/11_24_08/112408_nigeria.htm|title= Nigeria Child Brides-Broken Lives |publisher= Times Online|author= |date= November 28, 2008|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wunrn.com%2Fnews%2F2008%2F11_08%2F11_24_08%2F112408_nigeria.htm&date=2013-06-15|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="Weekly Blitz">[http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1386/islamist-leader-threatens-of-waging-jihad <!-- Backup link from Jihad Watch {{Reference archive|1=http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/bangladesh-islamic-cleric-threatens-jihad-if-child-marriage-is-banned.html|2=2011-04-23}}  -->Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad] - Weekly Blitz, April 20, 2011</ref><ref name="MESSAGE">yessir - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.abigmessage.com/child-marriage-death-of-13-year-old-bride-after-wedding.html|2=2011-10-25}} Child Marriage - Death Of 13 Year Old Bride After Wedding] - A BIG MESSAGE, April 10, 2010</ref><ref name="IRIN">[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=88589|2=2011-10-25}} YEMEN: Deep divisions over child brides] - IRIN, March 28, 2010</ref> In some cases, Muhammad and Aisha's relationship has even been used to effectively "turn back the clock" by legalizing child marriages in places today where they were previously illegal.<ref name="World News Australia">[{{Reference archive|1=http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/outcry-over-malaysian-child-marriages-20100804-11fey.html|2=2011-10-25}} Outcry over Malaysian child marriages] - Sydney Morning Herald, August 4, 2010</ref>
От друга страна, мнозинството от водещите мюсюлмански учени защитават браковете с деца, като се позовават на това, че "Пророкът Мухаммад го е направил преди 1400 години",<ref name="University of Houston">Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia: "''...If she is married without her permission, by threat or coercion, then the marriage is not valid. The only exeption is in the case of the father and his daughter who is less than nine years of age. There is no harm if he gets her married while she is less than nine years old, according to the correct opinion. This is based on the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) marrying Aisha without her consent when she was less than nine years old, as is stated in authentic Hadith...''" - [http://web.archive.org/web/20040216151301/http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/fatawawom/marriage.html Questions Related to Marriage/ Is it allowed for a father to force his daughter to marry a specific man that she does not want to marry?] - Muslim Students Organization of the University of Houston</ref><ref name="Sheikh Hamoud">Sheikh Hamoud Hashim al-Tharihi, general secretary of the Vice and Virtue Committee and member of the Islah Party in Yemen: "''Because this happened to the Prophet, we cannot tell people that it is prohibited to marry at an early age''" - [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7711554.stm Child marriage and divorce in Yemen] - Jenny Cuff, BBC, November 6, 2008</ref><ref name="Mufti Fazlul">Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini: "''Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old. The new law [seeking to ban child marriages] initiated by the current government [of Bangladesh] will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge. Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women.''" - [http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1386/islamist-leader-threatens-of-waging-jihad <!-- Backup link from Jihad Watch {{Reference archive|1=http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/bangladesh-islamic-cleric-threatens-jihad-if-child-marriage-is-banned.html|2=2011-04-23}}  -->Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad] - Weekly Blitz, April 20, 2011</ref><ref name="Imam Sani">Former governor and current senator of Zamfara State, Nigeria, Ahmed Sani Yerima: <BR><BR>"''Child marriage in Islam is permissible. In the Koran there is no specific age of marriage...[If the government imposed new laws against child marriage] There will be violent conflict from the Muslims, saying that 'no, we will not accept this, we'd rather die than accept something which is not a law from Allah.'''" - {{cite web|url= http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/11_08/11_24_08/112408_nigeria.htm|title= Nigeria Child Brides-Broken Lives |publisher= Times Online|author= |date= November 28, 2008|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wunrn.com%2Fnews%2F2008%2F11_08%2F11_24_08%2F112408_nigeria.htm&date=2013-06-15|deadurl=no}} <BR><BR>And again in 2013: <BR><BR>{{cite web|quote=As was expected, former governor and current senator of Zamfara State Ahmed Sani Yerima reiterated his support for marrying off underage girls Saturday saying he could give out his six-year old daughter in marriage if he so wished. Last Tuesday, the Senator successfully prevented an amendment to the second part of Section 22 of the constitution by the Senate, which dwells on affirming someone as of age once the person is married, though the person could be lower than 18 years in age. He answered his critics in an online publication saying he did not deserve such criticisms. Here is the full statement: "Nigeria has many uncountable problems and none of them is early marriage. As a matter of fact early marriage (is) the solution to about half of our problems. For those who wonder if I can give my daughter(s) out in marriage at the age of 9 or 13, I tell you most honestly, I can give her out at the age of 6 if I want to and it’s not your business. This is because I am a Muslim and I follow the example of the best of mankind, Muhammad ﺻَﻠَّﻰ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﻭَﺳَﻠَّﻢَ..."|url= http://thenigeriatoday.net/i-could-marry-off-my-six-year-old-daughter-if-i-so-wished-senator-ahmed-yerima-replies-critics/|title= I Could Marry Off My Six Year Old Daughter If I So Wished, Senator Ahmed Yerima Replies Critics|publisher= The Nigeria Today|author= |date= July 21, 2013|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthenigeriatoday.net%2Fi-could-marry-off-my-six-year-old-daughter-if-i-so-wished-senator-ahmed-yerima-replies-critics%2F&date=2013-07-22|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="Sheikh Mohamed Ben">Sheikh Mohamed Ben Abderrahman Al-Maghraoui: "''The marriage of nine-year-old girls is not forbidden because according to the Hadith (the Prophet Mohammed's sayings), Mohammed married Aisha when she was only seven-years-old and he consummated his union when she was nine.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=27880|2=2011-10-25}} Moroccan theologian: Muslim girls can wed at nine] - Middle East Online, September 15, 2008</ref> "[[Сподвижниците на Мухаммад и педофилия|Сподвижниците на Пророка са го правили]]"<ref>"''Getting married at an early age is something that is confirmed by the book of Allah, the Sunnah of his Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), the consensus of the scholars and the actions of the companions, and the Muslims who came after them... There are many Ahadith which confirm that marriage at an early age was widespread among the companions and no one denied its permissibilior that banningty. Getting married at an early age was not peculiar to the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) as some people think, but it was general for him and for his Ummah. The following are some of the actions of the Sahaba (companions): 1. Ali Ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, married his daughter, Um Kulthum to Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, and she mothered a child before the death of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam). Omar got married to her while she was young before reaching the age of puberty. This is reported by Ibn Saad in 'Al-Tabaqat'. 2. From Urwa Ibn Zubair: that Zubair, may Allah be pleased with him, married his daughter when she was very young. Reported by Saeed Ibn Mansour, in his Sunnah, and Ibn Abi Shaibah, in Al-musannaf, with a Sahih chain of narration. Al-Shafie said in the book of Al-Um: "Many companions of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) married their daughters while these were still young.''" - [http://www.webcitation.org/61C5nBLpe <!-- original URL http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=88089 -->Child marriage in Islam], Islamweb, Fatwa No. 88089, June 24, 2004</ref> или че тяхната забрана би била "неислямска".<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/11_08/11_24_08/112408_nigeria.htm|title= Nigeria Child Brides-Broken Lives |publisher= Times Online|author= |date= November 28, 2008|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wunrn.com%2Fnews%2F2008%2F11_08%2F11_24_08%2F112408_nigeria.htm&date=2013-06-15|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="Weekly Blitz">[http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1386/islamist-leader-threatens-of-waging-jihad <!-- Backup link from Jihad Watch {{Reference archive|1=http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/bangladesh-islamic-cleric-threatens-jihad-if-child-marriage-is-banned.html|2=2011-04-23}}  -->Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad] - Weekly Blitz, April 20, 2011</ref><ref name="MESSAGE">yessir - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.abigmessage.com/child-marriage-death-of-13-year-old-bride-after-wedding.html|2=2011-10-25}} Child Marriage - Death Of 13 Year Old Bride After Wedding] - A BIG MESSAGE, April 10, 2010</ref><ref name="IRIN">[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=88589|2=2011-10-25}} YEMEN: Deep divisions over child brides] - IRIN, March 28, 2010</ref> В някои случаи връзката между Мухаммад и Аиша се използва като ефективно "връщане на часовника" чрез легализиране на браковете с деца в наши дни на места, където преди това са били забранени.<ref name="World News Australia">[{{Reference archive|1=http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/outcry-over-malaysian-child-marriages-20100804-11fey.html|2=2011-10-25}} Outcry over Malaysian child marriages] - Sydney Morning Herald, August 4, 2010</ref>


Man-made laws have evidently evolved with our morality, whilst [[Shari'ah]] (consisting of the Qur'an and [[Sunnah]]) are seen as Allah's unalterable holy law. To attempt to change it would be considered blasphemous, as it constitutes [[Bid'ah]], something which was forbidden by Muhammad himself.<ref>"''A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who innovates things in our affairs for which there is no valid (reason) (commits sin) and these are to be rejected.''" - {{Muslim|18|4266}}</ref><ref>"''Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected.''" - {{Bukhari|3|49|861}}</ref> What can be altered is Islamic jurisprudence, but as that is extracted from, and cannot contradict,<ref>Khalid Baig - [http://www.albalagh.net/general/bidah.shtml Sunnah and Bid'ah] - Albalagh, May 5, 2001</ref><ref>[http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/concept-of-bidah-in-islam.php Concept of Bidah in Islam] - Alahazrat International Islamic Web</ref> Shari'ah, the results tend to remain unacceptable to the modern world.
Човешките закони очевидно са еволюирали от гледна точка на нравствеността, докато Шариата (състоящ се от Корана и Сунната) се смята за непроменим свещен закон на Аллах. Опитът за промяна в него се счита за богохулство, тъй като представлява „бид‘ах“ - нещо, което е забранено от самия Мухаммад.<ref>"''A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who innovates things in our affairs for which there is no valid (reason) (commits sin) and these are to be rejected.''" - {{Muslim|18|4266}}</ref><ref>"''Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected.''" - {{Bukhari|3|49|861}}</ref> Това което може да се промени е ислямското правораздаване, но понеже то е извлечено,<ref>Khalid Baig - [http://www.albalagh.net/general/bidah.shtml Sunnah and Bid'ah] - Albalagh, May 5, 2001</ref><ref>[http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/concept-of-bidah-in-islam.php Concept of Bidah in Islam] - Alahazrat International Islamic Web</ref> от Шариата и не може да му противоречи, резултатите имат тенденция да си остават неприемливи за съвременния свят.


The world has moved on, but unfortunately Islam mostly has not.
Светът се е придвижил напред, но за съжаление не и ислямът.


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