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Дори ако приемем тази tu quoque [[Логическа заблуда|логическа заблуда]] като валиден аргумент, все пак остават неразрешени сериозни проблеми. Първият от тях е фактът, че страницата New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia не казва, че Мария се е омъжила за Йосиф, когато е била на 12 години.  
Дори ако приемем тази tu quoque [[Логическа заблуда|логическа заблуда]] като валиден аргумент, все пак остават неразрешени сериозни проблеми. Първият от тях е фактът, че страницата New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia не казва, че Мария се е омъжила за Йосиф, когато е била на 12 години.  


Всъщност се казва, след още едно предупреждение към читателя, че историите са „ненадеждни“, следното Мария е била между 12 и 14 - годишна по времето, когато е избирала свой кандидат, а Благовещението (вестта от архангел Гавриил към девицата, наречена Мария, че тя ще зачене и стане майка на Иисус)<ref name="Annun-age">[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation|2=2011-10-24}} Annunciation] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref> се е случило две години по-късно.<ref name="Catholic Encyclopedia 2">"''It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm|2=2011-10-24}} St. Joseph] - Charles Souvay, The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 24 Oct. 2011</ref> This would make Mary 14 to 16 at the time of her marriage, not 12, or 9, as was the case between [[Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia|Muhammad and Aisha]]. She would have been a teenager of child-bearing age, not a pre-pubescent pre-teen child.
Всъщност се казва, след още едно предупреждение към читателя, че историите са „ненадеждни“, следното Мария е била между 12 и 14 - годишна по времето, когато е избирала свой кандидат, а Благовещението (вестта от архангел Гавриил към девицата, наречена Мария, че тя ще зачене и стане майка на Иисус)<ref name="Annun-age">[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation|2=2011-10-24}} Annunciation] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref> се е случило две години по-късно.<ref name="Catholic Encyclopedia 2">"''It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm|2=2011-10-24}} St. Joseph] - Charles Souvay, The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 24 Oct. 2011</ref> Следователно Мария трябва да е била на възраст между 14 и 16 години по време на брака си, а не на 12 или на 9, както е било в случая на Мухаммад и Аиша. Мария е била девойка, която е можела да износи дете, а не дете, което не е влязло в пубертета.


Another problem is that the theological significance of Joseph and Muhammad to the Christian and [[Islam|Islamic]] faiths are incomparable (i.e. the logical fallacy of [[False Equivalence|false equivalence]]). Unlike the Muslim view of Muhammad, Christians do not consider Joseph to be an [[Uswa Hasana|uswa hasana]] (excellent model of conduct). Joseph's moral character holds no importance within Christian theology. He could have been insane and it would not matter to a Christian.
Друг проблем е, че богословската значимост на Йосиф и Мухаммад за християнството и исляма е несъпоставима (т.е. имаме логическате заблуда на погрешната еквивалентност). За разлика от мюсюлманския възглед за Мухаммад, християните не смятат Йосиф за усуа хасана (съвършен модел на подражание). Нравственият облик на Йосиф не е от значение за християнската теология. Той би могъл да бъде и луд, и това не би било от значение за християните.


Then there is the fact that, according to both the Christian scriptures and the Islamic ones, Mary was a virgin when she conceived and gave birth to Jesus; therefore, her relationship with Joseph could not have been a sexual one until after Jesus' birth, making her possibly 17 years of age at the time the marriage was eventually consummated, if ever.  
След това налице е фактът, че както според християнските, така и според ислямските писания, Мария е била девица, когато е заченала и е родила Иисус; следователно, нейната връзка с Йосиф не би могла да бъде от сексуален характер, поне до раждането на Иисус, което означава, че Мария би трябвало да бъде вероятно на 17 години, когато бракът ѝ е бил консумиран, ако въобще това се е случило.  


Indeed, the same New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page continues the narrative of Joseph's life by stating both Mary and Joseph entered the marriage with the understanding that it was never to be consummated.<ref name="Catholic Encyclopedia 4">"''This marriage, true and complete, was, in the intention of the spouses, to be virgin marriage (cf. St. Augustine, "De cons. Evang.", II, i in P.L. XXXIV, 1071-72; "Cont. Julian.", V, xii, 45 in P.L. XLIV, 810; St. Thomas, III:28; III:29:2). But soon was the faith of Joseph in his spouse to be sorely tried: she was with child. However painful the discovery must have been for him, unaware as he was of the mystery of the Incarnation, his delicate feelings forbade him to defame his affianced, and he resolved "to put her away privately; but while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost. . . And Joseph, rising from his sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife" (Matthew 1:19, 20, 24).''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm|2=2011-10-24}} St. Joseph] - Charles Souvay, The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 24 Oct. 2011</ref>
Освен  това същата страница New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia продължава разказа за живота на Йосиф, като заявява, че и Мария, и Йосиф са сключили брак с договорката, че никога няма да бъде консумиран.<ref name="Catholic Encyclopedia 4">"''This marriage, true and complete, was, in the intention of the spouses, to be virgin marriage (cf. St. Augustine, "De cons. Evang.", II, i in P.L. XXXIV, 1071-72; "Cont. Julian.", V, xii, 45 in P.L. XLIV, 810; St. Thomas, III:28; III:29:2). But soon was the faith of Joseph in his spouse to be sorely tried: she was with child. However painful the discovery must have been for him, unaware as he was of the mystery of the Incarnation, his delicate feelings forbade him to defame his affianced, and he resolved "to put her away privately; but while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost. . . And Joseph, rising from his sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife" (Matthew 1:19, 20, 24).''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm|2=2011-10-24}} St. Joseph] - Charles Souvay, The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 24 Oct. 2011</ref>


Mary's Perpetual virginity, the belief that Mary remained a virgin her entire life, is an essential article of faith for the majority of the world's Christians (including the Roman Catholic, Anglo-Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox Christians). It is even held by some Muslims.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_virginity_of_Mary|2=2011-10-24}} Perpetual virginity of Mary] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref>
Приснодевствеността на Мария – вярването, че Мария е останала девица през целия си живот, е съществен елемент на вярата за мнозинството от християните по света (в това число – римокатолици, англикани, източно-православни и дохалкидонски християни). Това дори се поддържа от някои мюсюлмани.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_virginity_of_Mary|2=2011-10-24}} Perpetual virginity of Mary] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref>


Finally, the most decisive argument against the claim that Joseph was a pedophile is the fact that the same non-canonical writings which are used to gather information on Joseph and Mary's age, also confirm Mary's status as "ever virgin" (in The History of Joseph the Carpenter, Jesus says on Joseph's death "my mother, virgin undefiled").<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.interfaith.org/christianity/apocrypha/new-testament-apocrypha/6/4.php|2=2011-10-24}} The History of Joseph the Carpenter] - Interfaith Online, accessed October 24, 2011</ref>
Накрая, най-силният аргумент срещу твърдението, че Йосиф е бил педофил, е фактът, че същите неканонични писания, използвани като източник на информация за възрастта на Йосиф и Мария, също потвърждават състоянието на Мария като „Приснодева“ (в „Историята на Йосиф Дърводелеца“, Иисус казва при смъртта на Йосиф: „майка ми, непорочната девица“).<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.interfaith.org/christianity/apocrypha/new-testament-apocrypha/6/4.php|2=2011-10-24}} The History of Joseph the Carpenter] - Interfaith Online, accessed October 24, 2011</ref>


===Catholic and Eastern Churches believe Joseph is a Saint, that's the same as an Uswa Hasana===
===Catholic and Eastern Churches believe Joseph is a Saint, that's the same as an Uswa Hasana===