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Според Уикипедия, апокрифите се определят като текстове, които са „фалшифицирани“, „с проблематична автентичност“ или като „християнски текстове, които не са канонични“. <ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha|2=2011-10-24}} Apocrypha] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref> Следователно те могат да бъдат считани като християнски еквивалент на даик (слаби) или мауду (измислени) хадиси. | Според Уикипедия, апокрифите се определят като текстове, които са „фалшифицирани“, „с проблематична автентичност“ или като „християнски текстове, които не са канонични“. <ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha|2=2011-10-24}} Apocrypha] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref> Следователно те могат да бъдат считани като християнски еквивалент на даик (слаби) или мауду (измислени) хадиси. | ||
Нещо, което не е канонично, не е съществено за вярващия и може да бъде игнорирано. Няма нито един авторитетен християнски текст, които да цитира възрастта на Мария. В най-добрия случай, твърденията за нейната възраст са научни предположения, но въпреки това са само предположения. Бухари и Муслим от своя страна представляват канонични ислямски писания с пределна религиозна автентичност, приети от около 90% от хората в мюсюлманския свят. | |||
Дори ако приемем тази tu quoque [[Логическа заблуда|логическа заблуда]] като валиден аргумент, все пак остават неразрешени сериозни проблеми. Първият от тях е фактът, че страницата New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia не казва, че Мария се е омъжила за Йосиф, когато е била на 12 години. | |||
What it actually says, after warning readers once again that the stories are "unreliable", is that Mary was 12 to 14 at the time of the choosing of candidates, and the Annunciation (the announcement by the angel [[Gabriel]] to the ''virgin'' called Mary, that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus)<ref name="Annun-age">[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation|2=2011-10-24}} Annunciation] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref> took place two years later.<ref name="Catholic Encyclopedia 2">"''It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm|2=2011-10-24}} St. Joseph] - Charles Souvay, The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 24 Oct. 2011</ref> This would make Mary 14 to 16 at the time of her marriage, not 12, or 9, as was the case between [[Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia|Muhammad and Aisha]]. She would have been a teenager of child-bearing age, not a pre-pubescent pre-teen child. | What it actually says, after warning readers once again that the stories are "unreliable", is that Mary was 12 to 14 at the time of the choosing of candidates, and the Annunciation (the announcement by the angel [[Gabriel]] to the ''virgin'' called Mary, that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus)<ref name="Annun-age">[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation|2=2011-10-24}} Annunciation] - Wikipedia, accessed October 24, 2011</ref> took place two years later.<ref name="Catholic Encyclopedia 2">"''It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm|2=2011-10-24}} St. Joseph] - Charles Souvay, The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 24 Oct. 2011</ref> This would make Mary 14 to 16 at the time of her marriage, not 12, or 9, as was the case between [[Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia|Muhammad and Aisha]]. She would have been a teenager of child-bearing age, not a pre-pubescent pre-teen child. | ||